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Apple admits it has a human rights problem

Seeded on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:06 PM EST
Read ArticleArticle Source: Independent.co.uk
business, china, apple, chinese-workers, workplace-conditions, fair-labour-association
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Facing a growing scandal over the working conditions of those making its best-selling gadgets, Apple has called in assessors from the same organisation that was set up to stamp out sweatshops in the clothing industry more than a decade ago. The move is an admission that Apple's own system of monitoring suppliers has failed to stamp out abuses, and that the negative publicity surrounding its Chinese operations threatens to cause a consumer backlash against its products.

But campaigners for Chinese workers immediately criticised the company for conducting a public relations exercise instead of actually alleviating the long hours, harsh management and safety problems which have driven some workers to suicide and led to fatal accidents at a number of plants.

Inspectors from the Fair Labour Association started work yesterday at the Foxconn factory near the booming southern city of Shenzhen, where iPads are made. In 2010, a spate of 13 suicides or attempted suicides at that factory, known as Foxconn City, first turned a spotlight on the companies Apple uses to build its devices. Another Foxconn factory in Chengdu will also be inspected, Apple said, with the first findings to be published by the FLA next month. Apple said all of its suppliers had agreed to co-operate with the FLA and to let their workers speak freely.

 

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While I admired Steve Jobs and own several Apple products, I thought they had resolved these issues years ago. It is so depressing to me that the only way the rich think they can make "profits" is by treating people as slaves.

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Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:07 PM EST
bitemore

I own an iPad, but have vowed never again to buy an Apple product until every currently-outsourced job is brought back to the USA. While I doubt very much that Apple gives a damn about whether I buy their products or not, I, at least, will sleep better at night knowing that I haven't contributed to the misery on two continents due to Apple's outsourcing: unemployment here, and slavery practices in China. Apple is the wealthiest corporation ever - there is no way they can excuse their obscene wealth at a time when too many people are suffering.

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Reply#2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 AM EST
Jonathan-1917156

bite,

that would be a fine sentiment if there were any actual options, but the reality is that just about every other smart phone/tablet made is made in that same factory city. So buying another product isn't going to change anything. The time for those actions should have been 20-30 years ago when this trend started. Now we don't have an option, because the cost to bring that production back to the 'west' is just too high when the margins are so low.

    #2.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:34 PM EST
    bitemore

    #2.1: the reality is that just about every other smart phone/tablet made is made in that same factory city.

    Which puts all of us in an awkward position. Still... Apple has no excuses whatsoever. With its 70 billion dollars in cash just hanging out there doing nothing, it could open factories here and put a lot of Americans to work and not even have to worry about profit for years... Piling up the cash the way Apple has done is inexcusable, unforgivable, unconscionable and downright evil. So, as long as I have any choices at all, I will buy American-made goods first, and nothing made in China unless there are no other options and the purchase is a necessity. And nothing, n-o-t-h-i-n-g, not one thing, with the Apple logo.

      #2.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:03 PM EST
      Jonathan-1917156

      Well the wages for apple contractors at that facility get paid more to work on apple products than those working on say samsung tablets (your example was the iPad), so the option you have is to get apple which has problems, but fewer problems than with the competition.

      This is why the solution isn't as simple as just vilifying apple, because the root problem is that we as consumers refused to take that stand 30 years ago when this process started to happen, which apple was pretty much the LAST company to jump on that, only shedding their manufacturing operations in the early 2000's time frame.

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      #2.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:51 PM EST
      bitemore

      #2.3: This is why the solution isn't as simple as just vilifying apple, because the root problem is that we as consumers refused to take that stand 30 years ago when this process started to happen,

      That may be so, but better late than never. Maybe my attitude will reach critical mass and something WILL come of it. Fer sure, if we keep on keepin' on, it will be the same ol' same ol' 50 years from now. At some point, we have to put our feet down and say, "ENOUGH!" loudly enough to make a difference.

        #2.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:57 PM EST
        Shebow

        Consumers didn't take a stand because consumers didn't give a fig. Consumers clamored for upgraded toys to play with every year and corporations like Apple - with a greedy creep like Jobs at the helm - learned how to extricate the dollars from consumer pocketbooks while maximizing profits by using slave labor forces, uh, like in China. How many times has there been a story highlighting what happens to workers and the environment in China? How many times have consumers put the corporations that have outsourced jobs to a worker's hellhole like China out of business? Kinda like how people ignore where most of WalMart's goods come from while still touting them as a great, all-american business...

          #2.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:02 PM EST
          bitemore

          #2.5: Kinda like how people ignore where most of WalMart's goods come from while still touting them as a great, all-american business...

          Which reminds me... I've been boycotting Walmart since 2007. I do stick to my principles, but can't do it alone. I'm still waiting for that den of iniquity to go bankrupt, but your assessment of consumers is pretty much spot-on. I wish there was some way to rally all consumers to the cause, but I, personally, refuse to cave. I will NEVER shop at Walmart, and I will NOT buy another Apple toy until Walmart either changes or goes bankrupt and until Apple makes its products entirely in the USA. Period.

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          #2.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:20 PM EST
          Shebow

          I've stepped into the dreaded WalMart twice in my life. I am now a total boycotter of the place. Especially since they muscled their way into my little desert community that, until WalMart dangled a lot of money in the current town council's face, was virulently anti-bigboxes. You're not alone on this one, Bitey. And I suspect there's many more than just us two...This has to be one of the frontiers the Occupy movement tackles - how to get consumers to back options that build this country back up and restore a prosperous middle class instead of flocking to bigboxes to buy idiot gadgets that only line the pockets of the 1 percenters.

            #2.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:28 PM EST
            bitemore

            #2.7: how to get consumers to back options that build this country back up and restore a prosperous middle class instead of flocking to bigboxes to buy idiot gadgets that only line the pockets of the 1 percenters.

            Very well-said. Perfect comment - I couldn't agree more!

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            #2.8 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:45 PM EST
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            Susan Anthony

            Bitemore, I agree. I felt misled when I read the news about Apple's factories. I really thought they had addressed this issue. The only thing I can do now, is to try to highlight the issue whereever I can. I abhor slavery of any kind.

              Reply#3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:24 AM EST
              bitemore

              #3: The only thing I can do now, is to try to highlight the issue whereever I can. I abhor slavery of any kind.

              We can only do what we can to get people to pay attention, but there are none so blind as those who will not see. Yes, people are busy... they have lives, obligations, interests... and how well I recall my youth, growing up in the Beat Generation era, playing "Beatnik" in North Beach, San Francisco, listening to folk music, thinking that politics was little more than a folk song...

              Then came the Hippies, and the Flower Children, and the anti-war movement side-by-side with the civil rights movement... and, like most twenty-somethings-pushing-thirty I barely had the time to watch TV, never had time to watch News... and voted because I felt obligated to, not because I thought it mattered.

              Funny, but the beat goes on, the past is repeated, no one bookmarks history in order not to repeat it, and everyone wants the easy way out. Nothing has changed in 50 years but the date on the calendar.

              Sad, isn't it?

              We can have Big Business right along with conscience, but not until we take wanton greed out of the equation. And, from where I sit, greed is winning the battle, and is on track to win the war.

              I'm glad I am old.

                #3.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST
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                Tip4ya

                I think Americans would be shocked if they knew how businesses were ran in China. It's not just the slave labor, it's also the lack of environmental controls. The workers are so happy to have their slave job, they don't realize that most likely, that very job will kill them.

                  Reply#4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST
                  Jonathan-1917156

                  tip4ya

                  we have been hearing about how these businesses in china are operated, first though textiles, then through Nike and other shoe manufacturers, and now electronics. We didn't care then, what makes you think people are going to care now?

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                  #4.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:35 PM EST
                  Tip4ya

                  Jonathan, you're not going to get everyone to care, but if it's a topic that's brought up often, it's fresh on everyone's minds.

                    #4.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:46 PM EST
                    Jonathan-1917156

                    It was brought up many times with Nike, what ended up happening is that Nike's sales went up. Seems it ended up being free advertising for them.

                    So yeah, it put the company on everyones minds, just not in the way you expected.

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                    #4.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:55 PM EST
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                    Susan Anthony

                    Tip4ya, I agree but I remember my teens, my twenties and more. I remember my focus was on so many things like school and work and my personal life, I was vaguely aware of politics.

                    I became politically active in my thirties and became more aware of the multitude of issues. But, as my job required more and more of my time and energy, I had less and less time to read or keep up with issues, so I was probably unaware of alot of legislation that passed that was wrong for this country.

                    I think many Americans are swapped with responsibilities and have little time to really learn about political issues. I do meet people who are turned off by politics and feel there is nothing they can do.

                    So, to think that people would be aware of how corporations operate is another level of information less available to them that they do not have the energy to research.

                    We can try to keep these issues in the forefront by talking about them.

                      Reply#5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:48 PM EST
                      Tip4ya

                      Susan, I was the same way when I was younger, and I understand why more people aren't more aware. It wasn't until a few years ago that I became so interested. A friend of mine, living in China, blogged about a book she had read, and I couldn't help but read the book. It was very enlightening on the dealings in China. It's more of a "day in the life of manufacturing" book than anything political, but the things I read made me cringe. Needless to say, I read all my labels carefully and refuse to buy any health and beauty products that do not specifically state Made in USA. It's scary what's considered acceptable in China, and it breaks your heart to read about the working conditions.

                        Reply#6 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:17 PM EST
                        Susan Anthony

                        Tip4ya, great, do you remember the name of the book? I try to watch labels, too. But, try to buy a camera made in the US. My little polaroid just died and I got a foreign camera because there were no others offered near me. Clothes the same way. Food much the same.

                          #6.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:38 PM EST
                          Jonathan-1917156

                          your little polaroid was also probably made in China.

                            #6.2 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST
                            Susan Anthony

                            Jonathan, you are probably right. I try but can not always know where things are made.

                              #6.3 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:47 PM EST
                              Tip4ya

                              Susan, the book is "Poorly Made in China" by Paul Midler. I'm sure there are others out there, but this was all I needed to read.

                              You're right, you're very hard pressed to find things that aren't made in China, and I'm not going to pretend I don't buy it. Now that I'm more aware, I do make every effort to buy local or American made.

                                #6.4 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:52 PM EST
                                Jonathan-1917156

                                susan,

                                Polaroid hasn't made anything in a few decades other than their instant film, and right now they are essentially just a label for products made by some other company

                                  #6.5 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:56 PM EST
                                  Susan Anthony

                                  Jonathan, isn't that the way most companies work?

                                    #6.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:51 PM EST
                                    Jonathan-1917156

                                    Well it was just to say that your little polaroid camera WAS a foreign camera so buying a new one didn't change anything.

                                      #6.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:58 PM EST
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